Neither Here Nor There

Season 4, Episode 01
Aired: September 23rd, 2011
Written By: Jeff Pinkner, J. H. Wyman, Akiva Goldsman
Directed By: Joe Chappelle

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Neither Here Nor There

The Glyphs

This episode's glyphs spell: A-P-P-E-A-R

Though Peter doesn't exist in this new timeline, he briefly appears four times throughout the episode.

Glyph symbol AGlyph symbol PGlyph symbol PGlyph symbol EGlyph symbol AGlyph symbol R
Glyph symbol A
Glyph symbol P
Glyph symbol P
Glyph symbol E
Glyph symbol A
Glyph symbol R

The Observer

Observers are featured in the episode.


Timestamp: 07:26

Episode Clues

Previous Episode Clue

Painted text in a parking space in 'The Day We Died' says "ONLY SEPT". In 'Neither Here Nor There' Peter's fate is once again in September's hands as he's the only Observer who has any desire to prevent Peter from being fully erased.

Previous episode clue

Timestamp: 27:33

Next Episode Clue

A rail tanker in 'Neither Here Nor There' has "Brain Freeze" spray painted on it, foreshadowing the memory extraction process used by the killer in 'One Night in October'.

Next episode clue

Timestamp: 29:56

Items of Interest

  • This season kicks off in a new timeline where Peter has been erased from existence and nobody has memories of him.
  • Walter can tell that something in the lab feels different.
  • Walter is seeing visions of Peter.
  • Walter called his guardian Tim 'Tommy' and 'Timmy'.
  • Peter appears 4 times in this episode:
    • Peter is temporarily visible behind Olivia after she and Fauxlivia exchange case files on Liberty Island. (Image 1)
    • Peter is temporarily visible in the lab behind Walter. (Image 2)
    • Peter appears in the lab on a powered-off monitor that's part of Walter's communication station. (Image 3)
    • Peter appears on Walter's powered-off TV screen as Walter prepares to go to sleep in his bedroom/office/study in the lab. (Image 4)
Item of interest: A glimpse of Peter
Image 1: A glimpse of Peter
Timestamp: 01:56
Item of interest: A glimpse of Peter
Image 2: A glimpse of Peter
Timestamp: 10:12
Item of interest: Peter's image
Image 3: Peter's image
Timestamp: 13:56
Item of interest: Peter's image
Image 4: Peter's image
Timestamp: 42:17

Fringe Division Case File

U.S. Department of Justice
Federal Bureau of Investigation
121 105th Street • Washington, DC 20735
Phone: (202) 555-2100 • Fax: (202) 555-2101


FRINGE EVENT: Hybrid Shapeshifters 2.0


AGENTS ASSIGNED: Dunham, Roach, Frazier, Farnsworth


FILE ARCHIVED BY: Gergö Hoffmann, Mariam Al Marwani

WITNESSES/CONTACTS: Agent Dunham [redacted], Special Agent Lincoln Lee

LOCATION: Hartford, Connecticut; Grove Hall Station

VICTIM(S): Agent Frazier (deceased), Agent Roach (wounded), Agent Danzig (deceased), 30 others (deceased), Nadine Park


A rash of attacks led to a witness capturing the image of a semitranslucent man near victim Nadine Park (30). She was attacked at the train station at 10:45 a.m. by the man in her car and thrown into a lamppost. She had a hematoma on her right clavicle and her skin also was affected, the result of heavy metal poisoning. Agents determined that all four kill zones were centered on commuter rail stations, which provided the victim connection. After testing another body, Dr. Bishop determined they were a new biological-mechanical hybrid; an upgrade to previous tech discovered in our universe that creates a Shapeshifter. Immediate discussions opened with Over There to determine if the Shapeshifters were a product of Secretary of Defense Walter Bishop's spy program.

Glyph Sightings

  • The butterfly glyph can be seen near Lincoln in the rail yard.
  • Butterflies can be seen in Olivia's bedroom.
  • A leaf can be seen on the bio-scan monitor at the Liberty Island security checkpoint.
Timestamp: 31:47
Timestamp: 01:13
Timestamp: 37:18

The Timeline Without Peter

  • Olivia was still kidnapped and held in the Redverse while Fauxlivia impersonated her in the Blueverse.
  • Astrid was a field agent.
  • Walter was afraid to leave the lab.
  • John Scott died during the Flight 627 investigation; Walter couldn't save him.
  • Olivia checked Walter out from the institution.
timelinewithoutpeter: Astrid
Timestamp: 14:11
timelinewithoutpeter: Walter's room in the lab
Walter's room in the lab
Timestamp: 42:38

Walter's Food

Walter made popcorn, asked Lincoln if he brought any candy with him (especially gumdrops), and had a drink before bed.
Connection: Microwave popcorn
Microwave popcorn
Timestamp: 14:02
Connection: Bedtime drink
Bedtime drink
Timestamp: 40:53

Notable Quotes

DECEMBER: "It is, as it has always been, our responsibility to ensure events play out as they were intended before your intervention. This started with you; it must be you who ends it. They can never know the boy lived to be a man."

OLIVIA about Walter: "He's functional, except when he's not. But he's often quite brilliant. Just never had anything to tether him to the world."

WALTER: "I don't think there's anything sadder than when two people are meant to be together and something intervenes."

WALTER: "People die. It happens. Sometimes they even die twice."

Connection Chart

A visualization of all the ways this episode connects to other episodes. Scroll down to see the actual connections.

Episode Connections

S1E01 - Pilot

  • The Shapeshifters in 'Neither Here Nor There' had translucent skin just like John Scott did in 'Pilot'.
  • A leaf glyph matching the Massive Dynamic security screen in 'Pilot' is displayed on the bio-scan monitor on Liberty Island in 'Neither Here Nor There'.
Connection: Leaf glyph
Leaf glyph
S1E01 - Pilot
Timestamp: 1:20:58
Connection: Leaf glyph
Leaf glyph
S4E01 - Neither Here Nor There
Timestamp: 37:18

S3E17 - Stowaway

  • LINCOLN LEE in 'Stowaway': "One of these things is not like the others."
      Lincoln pointed out an outlying piece of evidence to Peter to help them understand their suspect.
    LINCOLN LEE in 'Neither Here Nor There': "One of these things is not like the other."
      Lincoln pointed out an outlying witness to Olivia to help them gain new information about an incident.

S3E18 - Bloodline

  • Walternate has three solid-color panels on the wall of his office in 'Bloodline': blue, red, and yellow. These symbolize the two universes (blue and red) and the rewritten timeline without Peter (yellow) starting from 'Neither Here Nor There'.
Connection: Walternate's artwork
Walternate's artwork
S3E18 - Bloodline
Timestamp: 06:09

Spoilers for future episodes below!

S4E20 - Worlds Apart

  • OLIVIA to Fauxlivia in 'Neither Here Nor There': "Happy reading. I'm sure you'll find a lot of the cases familiar since you and your people were responsible."
    FAUXLIVIA: "Huh. Funny. I was just gonna say the same thing to you."

      They later have a similar exchange once their relationship develops.
    FAUXLIVIA to Olivia in 'Worlds Apart': "You know, there's a lot of things about you that I wish I had. There's a lot of things about you that I admire."
    OLIVIA: "I was about to say the same thing about you. Keep looking up."